From: Eugene Ngai <eugene_ngai**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] HF working surface decontamination solution - recommended concentration or alternate?
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:15:11 -0400
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When I was with Air Products, they filled anhydrous HF from a railcar, as a result the ER Team was specially trained and equipped to handle an exposure. In one incident a flexible transfer hose sheared and the line somehow wound up shooting liquid HF up into the operators chemical apron and burned through his pants. The ER team immediately deconned him and applied the gluconate gel which is meant to only react with the surface of the skin. The medical treatment is multiple injections through the skin at the ER. He did not have permanent injuries as a result.

 

An excellent Medical Treatment guide is from the US Health Dept. I have had these translated into Korean, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese and Japanese for all of the gases.

 

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=250

 

Eugene Ngai

Chemically Speaking LLC

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU> On Behalf Of David C. Finster
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:30 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] HF working surface decontamination solution - recommended concentration or alternate?

 

I am puzzled.   My understanding is that HF, and other ionizable/ionized forms of fluoride, if exposed to the skin should be treated with calcium gluconate.  ("Calgonate" is a preparation of calcium gluconate.)  However, these treatments would neither be effective nor necessary if the fluorine-containing compound is covalently-bound F.  Thus, I don't know what a "fluorinated acid spill" might be or whether calcium carbonate (which is not calcium gluconate/"Calgonate") would be effective.   (An example of a fluorinated acid might be TFA, trifluoroacetic acid; these F atoms are not ionizable.)

 

When once researching medical events about fluoride exposures I came across anecdotes of medical ER folks using calcium gluconate on an exposure that was clearly a covalently-bonded fluorine compound.  (I can't find this now.)  The treatment was ineffective, as expected.  But, the patient was not suffering from "fluoride exposure", either.)

 

I would welcome other insights that clarify my understanding.

 

Dave

 

 

David C. Finster
Professor, Department of Chemistry
Wittenberg University
937-327-6441

https://www.wittenberg.edu/academics/chemistry/facultystaff/finster2.html

 

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Sara J
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 11:32 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] HF working surface decontamination solution - recommended concentration or alternate?

 

Calgonate also has a lot of info. on HF safety and has spill kits and gels available. At my company we keep calcium carbonate on hand for any fluorinated acid spills, but we do not handle HF. 

 

http://www.calgonate.com/safety_info.php

 

Sara Johnson, Ph.D.

 

Inorganic Chemist

The Shepherd Chemical Company

Norwood, OH 45212

sjohnson**At_Symbol_Here**shepchem.com

Cell: (810)730-8963

Office: (513) 731-1110

 

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Paul Weller <wellerp**At_Symbol_Here**elon.edu> wrote:

Honeywell has a neutralization guide

https://www.honeywell-hfacid.com/literature/

 

Paul Weller

 

Paul Weller

Senior Science Laboratory Manager-Chemistry
Elon University

2625 Campus Box

Elon, NC 27244

Phone  336.278.6225

Location MCMI 302

wellerp**At_Symbol_Here**elon.edu

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU> On Behalf Of Layman, Rachel
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:50 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] HF working surface decontamination solution - recommended concentration or alternate?

 

Hello,

 

Does anyone know what percent solution of calcium hydroxide would be appropriate for decontamination of working surfaces where HF has been used, or small spill of HF known?

 

Or is there a better solution anyone can recommend?

 

Thanks,

 

Rachel

 

Rachel M. Layman, MS, CHMM, CHO

University Chemical Hygiene Officer

Environmental Health and Safety

Virginia Tech

575 Beamer Way

(540) 231-3427

 

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