From: Alan Hall <oldeddoc**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Flaming Snowballs @ ACS
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 05:22:32 -0500
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Message-ID: CALDugaaQx0VmaezV4cn6_E3r5qxRUK0Bd3QXg-HefGAdGo-CLQ**At_Symbol_Here**mail.gmail.com
In-Reply-To <5f5669531fb2489f9be73a9b077aaaf3**At_Symbol_Here**mail.wsc.western.edu>


Well, don't use easily available hydrofluoric acid "rust remover" (2-13%) products or "pool chemicals" (muriatic acid; HCl 30-33%) which can be bought in any auto parts store or even in a supermarket in "pool country.

Takes you forever to order dilute acids and bases on-line for simple pHchange demonstration. Freely available at your friendly neighborhood autoparts and sometimes supermarket. Insanity reigns. And vinegar (glacial acetic acid) makse in dilute quantities with a little olive oil, a great salad dressing,but at 30+% if ingested causes severe caustic injuries.

Nasty actors all.

Alan
AlanH.Hall,M.D.
Medical Toxicologist

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Jarral Ryter <jryter**At_Symbol_Here**western.edu> wrote:
I was looking into the demos exchange at the ACS conference for our students to do. They are on the ultra safe side. You can only use household items, goggles no tasting etc. And yes household items can be dangerous so those were very limited. You can look at the web site also. Pretty bland demos. But safe.
Jarral



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Frankie Wood-Black <fwoodblack90**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Date: 4/11/17 8:02 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Flaming Snowballs **At_Symbol_Here** ACS

Interesting - I stopped by the Demo Exchange in San Diego (only looked at a couple of tables) - Don't know the process, and am not sure who coordinates. I will follow up because I think it comes out of the Committee that runs NCW.

Frankie Wood-Black, Ph.D., REM, MBA
Principal - Sophic Pursuits
NOTE - ADDRESS CHANGE - Mailing Address - PO Box 433, Tonkawa, OK 74653


On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Wilhelm, Monique <mwilhelm**At_Symbol_Here**umflint.edu> wrote:
Hello Safe Ones,

I have a question related to the recent ACS meeting: Are live demos performed at ACS meetings reviewed for safety before they are approved to be done? I know there was an approval process for the Demo Exchange this year, but do not know if safety was part of it.

I ask because this is the second year in a row where my students have come back to tell me the horror they felt seeing what others were doing. Last year it was liquid nitrogen explosions with only safety glasses as PPE during a workshop. This year it was a video of "Flaming Snowballs" being presented as a demo at the Demo Exchange. I do not have the exact video or know what chapter was showing it. You can see an example of these Flaming Snowballs here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krh2VJ_WTpI. I have not personally seen the exact video that was shown at this year's meeting. However, my students did specifically point out lack of PPE, even though my bigger concern was throwing a flaming ball around. I am glad that my students can identify the problems with such things, but do worry about the influence on other students who may not have as much safety knowledge (especially considering I will have a new group of chemists in training to take with me when my current gr!
oup graduates next year).

Has anyone else seen these demos being done or shared these concerns?

Thanks,
Monique Wilhelm
Laboratory Manager/Adjunct Lecturer/Chem Club Co-Advisor
Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry
University of Michigan-Flint
Flint, MI 48502

---
This e-mail is from DCHAS-L, the e-mail list of the ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety.
For more information about the list, contact the Divisional secretary at secretary**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org

--- This e-mail is from DCHAS-L, the e-mail list of the ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety. For more information about the list, contact the Divisional secretary at secretary**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org
--- This e-mail is from DCHAS-L, the e-mail list of the ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety. For more information about the list, contact the Divisional secretary at secretary**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org

--- This e-mail is from DCHAS-L, the e-mail list of the ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety. For more information about the list, contact the Divisional secretary at secretary**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org

Previous post   |  Top of Page   |   Next post



The content of this page reflects the personal opinion(s) of the author(s) only, not the American Chemical Society, ILPI, Safety Emporium, or any other party. Use of any information on this page is at the reader's own risk. Unauthorized reproduction of these materials is prohibited. Send questions/comments about the archive to secretary@dchas.org.
The maintenance and hosting of the DCHAS-L archive is provided through the generous support of Safety Emporium.