From: Eugene Ngai <eugene_ngai**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Justification for lower cap for teaching labs
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:27:41 -0400
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The 2018 International Fire Code added Chapter 38 HIGHER EDUCATION LABORATORIES which was developed by the Fire Code Action Committee:

College Laboratories Workgroup FCAC Taskforce Chair - Morgana Yahnke, University of California, Davis

 

I am not that familiar with this code as I did not participate in the effort

 

Also NFPA =AE 45 Standard on Fire Protection for Laboratories Using Chemicals, 2015 edition may apply

 

Eugene Ngai

Chemically Speaking LLC

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU> On Behalf Of Harry J. Elston
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:27 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Justification for lower cap for teaching labs

 

Jim - can you point to a reference for that?  SBC (Southern Building Code), IBC (International) or other?

 

Thanks, 

 

Harry

 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:24 AM James Kaufman <jim**At_Symbol_Here**labsafety.org> wrote:

Pam,

 

Take a look at the building occupancy load in the building/fire codes.  It is normally limited to 50 sq ft per person in labs in educational occupanies. 

PS.  "There's more to lab safety than just labs!"

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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 8:57 PM Pam <aubu**At_Symbol_Here**hotmail.com> wrote:

Currently the labs classes here are capped at 32. I know that the ACS recommends no more than 25. Are there any other sources I can quote as a draft a letter to our Dean to lower the cap in chem labs. We are a two year school so when I say that labs are capped at 32 that would be ONE pair of experienced eyes in the room. There are no TAs. 

 

I am also looking into the square footage of the room 

 

Right now I am working with groups of 4 so not all students are getting a true lab experience. Some are just watching

 

Thanks

 

Pamela Auburn, PhD

2041 Branard

Houston TX 77098

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