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We did not put floor drains under the showers when we built our new building 20 years ago. In the old building the drains would dry out and sewer gas would back-up into the rooms.
Joe C
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We were not allowed to have floor drains at my previous employer because that would allow contaminated water to enter the sewer system. The intent was to collect the water and properly dispose of it rather than have it go down the drain.
Nickie Norton
Research Chemist
The Shepherd Chemical Company
4900 Beech Street
Norwood, OH 45212
nnorton**At_Symbol_Here**shepchem.com
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On Behalf Of GOODE, SCOTT
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 10:36 PM
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On Behalf Of Pam
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
Debbie
I second that motion
There have been a number of people who are in the process of building new labs. I personally wish I had know some of the points made before our new building went up.
How about Lab design with Safety in Mind.
The second topic that has been of great interest to be is the confluence of ADA and safety. There was discussion of service dogs . I have worked with hearing impaired students who could not hear auditory alarms and have asked that we also have visual alarms in place.
Pam
Pamela Auburn, PhD
2041 Branard
Houston TX 77098
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on behalf of Debbie M. Decker <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**UCDAVIS.EDU>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
I think that's a great suggestion and a good fit for Orlando. I'd be happy to collaborate on a symposium on this topic.
Debbie
Debbie M. Decker, CCHO, ACS Fellow
Past Chair, Division of Chemical Health and Safety
Councilor and Programming Co-Chair
University of California, Davis
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that proceeds smoothly under normal conditions,
can proceed violently in the presence of an idiot."
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On Behalf Of Wilhelm, Monique
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
There are always so many questions about safety showers and eye washes. I think that we need to have a symposium on them….I will have to remember this for Orlando
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On Behalf Of Bruce Van Scoy
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
Melissa,
Push for the drains! Show the cost over time of having testing performed at the recommended frequency without them vs. having them. My experience has shown when the drains were removed due to initial installation costs (proposed as "value engineering"), it wasn't too long after that they were screaming about the frequency of performing flushing/testing. If memory serves, I provided a CDC reference about the eye-damaging bacteria that reproduce in stagnant pipes with the presence of chlorine. The architects and accountants were not available later to justify or defend their "value engineering" decisions, but the initial construction cost did save a few dollars. My recommendation is to push for the drains or define accountability standards to apply later, e.g., is installation cost v. recovery in 1-yr or 5-yr?
BruceV
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On Behalf Of Suzanne Howard
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
Hi Melissa,
We are in the process of designing a new science bldg and was told that we can't have drains for the safety showers and the eyewashes. Our architects state the reason is that the size of the drains would have to be very large.....? They also indicate that the cost for plumbing is too great. Have not yet decided if EHS should push for drains or not, or, if it is even possible.
Suzanne
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Director EHS
Wellesley College
300 Central Street
Wellesley, MA
781-283-3882
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Melissa Anderson <mwanderson08**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings Everyone,
We're working with architects right now to plan out chem labs for a new science building. We've asked for drains under the safety showers and were told that wouldn't be possible because in order to be ADA compliant and have drains, the safety showers would take up too much space- has anyone encountered such an argument?
(Note, we're extremely constrained on space due to some very complicated politics I won't go into here, so making the labs bigger is not an option.)
Thanks,
Melissa Anderson
Instructor
Pasadena City College
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