From: Zack Mansdorf <mansdorfz**At_Symbol_Here**BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] A Conundrum
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:06:56 -0400
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Dear Alan:

 

You can stay relaxed and retired. HAZCOM has always been limited to "hazardous materials" and an SDS is not required for a "chemical" that has no oral, dermal or inhalation hazard nor does it offer any physical hazard (yes, I do recognize such hazards as water boarding).

 

My guess is that the supplier of water has been so deluged with requests for an SDS that it was easier to just write one. It is also true that you can come up with hundreds of scenarios where water could be a hazard (being drowned comes immediately to mind). The other possibility is that some chemical hygiene consultant has deemed a corrective action necessary for a lab that has either distilled water or some other exotic version such as Fuji Water in the lab without any documentation.

 

Alan-I suggest a book on the dumbest ideas in safety, health and chemical safety. This could be the start of great things.

 

Zack

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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Hall
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 4:38 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] A Conundrum

 

When does the idiocy become reality?

 

Water water Everywhere, but not a drop to drink.  And Air about 19.5% O2 and the rest N2 and trace gases.   Sea water.Try it at 4 ATA.  And someone want to tell me how much it costs to install a water shower. Looked it up; usually several hundred to serveral thousand dollars.

 

And AIR at1 ATA.  You need a bloody SDS to tell you about there things?  Where did I leave my hat?

 

Maybe I should go back to teaching at a School of Public Health.

 

Alan

Alan H.Hall, M.D.

 

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Wilhelm, Monique <mwilhelm**At_Symbol_Here**umflint.edu> wrote:

Hey, now that you mention it, they still haven't sent us an SDS for the water they are supplying.

Monique Wilhelm
University of Michigan-Flint


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From: Jim <jim**At_Symbol_Here**LABSAFETYINSTITUTE.ORG>
Date: 9/25/16 5:43 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] A Conundrum

Unless you happen to live in Flint, MI! ... Jim

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From: McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>
Date: 09/24/2016 8:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] A Conundrum

I think Edward Movitz has answered the conundrum:  it boils down (sorry, couldn't resist) to the origin.  If water is purchased from a chemical supply company,  the company must provide an SDS according to GHS.  If water is piped in through the plumbing,  there are regulations for what comes out of the spigot.    I keep a copy of an SDS of H2O as liquid water on hand for my schools.

However,  recognizing that my world is the K-12 science classes, the two main hazards posed by water (absent other chemicals) are 1) dangers of boiling water and 2) the slippery and almost invisible nature of water spilled on a linoleum floor.  Neither of these appears on the SDS but both have resulted in student (and teacher) injuries.

One more water joke:

Johnny was a chemist's son
But now he is no more.
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4.

Cheers everybody

Eddie McGrath



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-------- Original message --------
From: Edward Movitz <movitz**At_Symbol_Here**OLEMISS.EDU>
Date: 9/24/16 8:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] A Conundrum

Fisher scientific sell HPLC grade water with the sds located at:
https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?productName=W51&productDescription=WATER+HPLC+1LITER&catNo=W5-1&vendorId=VN00033897&storeId=10652
...


On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Patricia Redden <predden**At_Symbol_Here**SAINTPETERS.EDU<mailto:predden**At_Symbol_Here**SAINTPETERS.EDU>> wrote:

You might want to check out the website www.dhmo.org<http://www.dhmo.org>, which has an MSDS for dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO).

Pat Redden

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ben Ruekberg <bruekberg**At_Symbol_Here**chm.uri.edu<mailto:bruekberg**At_Symbol_Here**chm.uri.edu>> wrote:
My curiosity will not allow me to wait until April first, when it might be more excusable, to ask this question.

There is a chemical which can be found in almost every laboratory.  Most laboratories even have it piped in.  There are (M)SDSs for this material and yet, while I am told that we are required to have the (M)SDS for each of the chemicals in our laboratory on hand,  I don't believe that many laboratories keep a copy of the (M)SDS for this substance in print.  I refer, of course, to water.

OK, I hear you saying "Of course no one has the (M)SDS for water on hand.  It's water."  And I agree: I mean it's in the safety showers, we wash our hands with it before leaving the lab.  But it's a chemical.  I can understand why I would make an exception for it, but does OSHA?

Can anyone tell me why safety documentation is not required for water?  Or is it?  Or is it, but no one makes a fuss about it?

Thank you very much,

Ben

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