DCHAS-L Archives Jan 15 2010 - Re: More on RQ HAZ Substances

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The Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR) is found in title 49 Code of Fede ral Regulations (CFR), from Part 171 to 181.=A0 Section 172.101 The Hazardo us Materials Table Appendix A list Hazardous substances and RQ reportable q uantities and Appendix B lists Marine Pollutants.=A0 http://www.osha.gov/ =A0=A0 * HazCom standard =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p _table=STANDARDS&p_id=10106 =A0=A0=A0 * International Labour Organization (ILO) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.ilo.org/ Other helpful online sites are: http://www.epa.gov/superfund/policy/release/rq/index.htm#levels http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=te xt&node=49:2.1.1.3.6&idno=49 http://www.epa.gov/EPA-WASTE/2008/January/Day-07/f6297.htm Electronic information at http://www.ilo.org 29 CFR 1910.1450 National Research Council Recommendations Concerning Chemi cal Hygiene in Laboratories (Non-Mandatory) 29 CFR 1910.1450 National Research Council Recommendations Concerning Chemi cal Hygiene in Laboratories (Non-Mandatory)=A0 Appendix A 29 CFR 1910.1450 National Research Council Recommendations Concerning Chemi cal Hygiene in Laboratories (Non-Mandatory)=A0 Appendix B 29 CFR 1910.1200 Hazard Communication 40 CFR 262 Standards Applicable to Generators of Hazardous Waste Other Helpful links from DNA.gov =A0=A0=A0 * American National Standards Institute (ANSI) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.ansi.org/ =A0=A0=A0 * American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors/Laboratory Accre ditation Board (ASCLD/LAB=AE) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.ascld.org =A0=A0=A0 * Bloodborne Pathogens standard =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p_ta ble=STANDARDS&p_id=10051 =A0=A0=A0 * Environmental Protection Agency =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.epa.gov/ =A0=A0=A0 * Forensic Quality Services (FQS) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.forquality.org =A0=A0=A0=A0 * Laser Safety Guidelines =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p_ta ble=DIRECTIVES&p_id=1705 =A0=A0=A0 * National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.nfpa.org/ =A0=A0=A0 * National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/homepage.html =A0=A0=A0 * Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.osha.gov/ =A0=A0=A0 * Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) Standards =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/personalprotectiveequipment/index. html =A0=A0=A0 * Quality Assurance Document =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/codis/forensic.htm =A0=A0=A0 * Respiratory Protection standard =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p_ta ble=STANDARDS&p_id=12716 Jennifer A. Summer ACS Student Chapter, Chemical Technology, STLCC Flo Valley --- On Fri, 1/15/10, List Moderator wrote: From: List Moderator Subject: [DCHAS-L] 4 more on MSDS's and DOT To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 1:59 PM From: david.iacovone**At_Symbol_Here**att.net Date: January 15, 2010 2:48:08 PM EST Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] DOT information from MSDSs It has been my experience, speaking as someone with a hazardous materials a nd hazardous waste response background, that whether or not it requires DOT placarding is dependent upon volume.=A0 Many MSDSs are deficient in this a rea because some are materials that are usually shipped in small quantities ..=A0 The DOT guidebook and IATA regs are better sources for shipping info. =A0 Also, Russ is correct in this instance.=A0 Don't rely upon MSDSs for sh ipping requirements.=A0 It has also been my experience that manufacturer's don't always tell you everything, especially in the case of trade name prod ucts, unless pressed in emergency situations. === From: "Phil Anderson" Date: January 15, 2010 2:33:19 PM EST Subject: RE: [DCHAS-L] DOT information from MSDSs As someone who must write MSDS's (as well as do a million other things) I note your overall displeasure with the MSDS situation. The MSDS is/was meant to provide safety information for the persons who han dle a chemical, or chemical mixture.=A0 Any use of it for other duties is a n extention of the MSDS beyond where it was originally intended.=A0 There a re several layers of data that I must absorb and distill and otherwise get into the computer before I can get it to spit out an MSD. If the MSDS were to be a complete manual for the handling of a chemical, th is would not be enough, but it isn't (probably a Master's or Ph.D may be ad equate, but also not likely).=A0 What an MSDS is, is a snapshot of the data and the material.=A0 It is limited to the available data, and it is always changing.=A0 The problems arise when the data is conflicted or old data is viewed with the same "rose colored glasses" that modern researchers seem t o enjoy. Our task, should we be foolish enough to accept it is to be chemists, ph ysicians, etc.=A0 The best thing we can do is to buy our materials (either the rarities found in acedemia or the 5000 gallon tank trucks found in indu strial use) from the people who provide adequate MSDS's.=A0 Look before lea ping!=A0 And when we turn down a supplier for this reason, tell him!=A0 Mos t chemical suppliers in this country are honest, but generally overworked. =A0 If something is wrong on his MSDS that causes him to lose sales, most w ill fix it, IF he is aware of the discrepancy! Some of the data desired may not be reasonably provided on a brief MSDS.=A0 Some of it may be too new or too unproven (or even wrong) to be included. =A0 Remember- these things are NOT peer reviewed papers on the safety that one may want.=A0 But the writers, in general, should be competent. A reason that I only last year started to include DOT provisions on the MSDS I write, is in anticipation of the adoption of some sort of 15 part fo rmat when the US Congress permits it as I am going to retire, probably befo re this becomes a final regulation.=A0 The DOT changes their shipping class breakdowns every so often, which is why I did not include them before.=A0 I just hope that DOT does not change something that affects the classing I use now.=A0 (As they did about 20+ years ago, when they changed the flash p oint for Combustible/Flammable from 100 F. to 140F.) Had to "rant", sorry! Phil Anderson Technical Director Aqua=A0 Science, Inc. === From: "Larry D. McLouth" Date: January 15, 2010 12:40:19 PM EST Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] MSDS source? Hi Katherine, Visit the MSDS HyperGlossary...(use Google search).=A0 This has a bunch of free MSDS sites and links to other safety related items, including OSHA regs and proposed standards.=A0 I believe this is hosted by the Safety Empo rium which sells lab and safety supplies. You may be interested in the FAQs - there you'll find a lot of info about M SDSs, the regulatory drives and OSHA interpretations. Good Luck! Larry === From: harsimran kaur Date: January 15, 2010 12:33:00 PM EST Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] MSDS source? Katherine, In college for chem lab, we were told to use SRI=A0 Hazard MSDS Index and I have been using the same ever since. Here's the link: http://hazard.com/ms ds/index.php Simran --0-932482309-1263618963=:99322

The Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR) is found in title 49 Code o f Federal Regulations (CFR), from Part 171 to 181. Section 172.101 Th e Hazardous Materials Table Appendix A list Hazardous substances and RQ rep ortable quantities and Appendix B lists Marine Pollutants. http://ww w.osha.gov/
   * HazCom standard
     ; http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p_table=ST ANDARDS&p_id=10106
    * International Labour Or ganization (ILO)
      http://www.ilo.org/
Other helpful online sites are:
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/polic y/release/rq/index.htm#levels
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text -idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=49:2.1.1.3.6&id no=49
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-WASTE/2008/January/Day-07/f6297.htm
Electronic information at http://www.ilo.org
29 CFR 1910.1450 National Research Council Recommendations Concerning Chemical Hygiene in Laboratori es (Non-Mandatory)
29 CFR 1910.1450 National Research Council Recommenda tions Concerning Chemical Hygiene in Laboratories (Non-Mandatory) App endix A
29 CFR 1910.1450 National Research Council Recommendations Conce rning Chemical Hygiene in Laboratories (Non-Mandatory) Appendix B
29 CFR 1910.1200 Hazard Communication
40 CFR 262 Standards Applicable to Generators of Hazardous Waste
Other Helpful links from DNA.gov
;   * American National Standards Institute (ANSI)
      http ://www.ansi.org/
    * American Society of Crime Laborato ry Directors/Laboratory Accreditation Board (ASCLD/LAB=AE)
  & nbsp;   http://www.ascld.org
    * Bloodborne P athogens standard
      http://www.osha.gov/pls /oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10051
    * Environmental Protection Agency
      http://www.epa.gov/
    * Forensic Quality Servi ces (FQS)
      http://www.forquality.org
     * Laser Safety Guidelines
     ; http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document? p_table=DI RECTIVES&p_id=1705
    * National Fire Protection A ssociation (NFPA)
      http://www.nfpa.org/
    * National Institute for Occupa tional Safety and Health (NIOSH)
      http://w ww.cdc.gov/niosh/homepage.html
    * Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)
      http://w ww.osha.gov/
    * Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) St andards
      http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/personal protectiveequipment/index.html
    * Quality Assurance Do cument
      http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/codis/fo rensic.htm
    * Respiratory Protection standard
;     http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_docu ment? p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=12716

Jennifer A. Summer
ACS Student Chapter,
Chemical Technology, STLCC Flo Valley

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, List Moderator <ecgrants**At_Symbol_Here**UVM.EDU> wrote:

From: List Moderator <ecgrants**At_Symbol_Here**U VM.EDU>
Subject: [DCHAS-L] 4 more on MSDS's and DOT
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LI ST.UVM.EDU
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 1:59 PM

From: david.iacovone**At_Symbol_Here**att.net
Date: Ja nuary 15, 2010 2:48:08 PM EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] DOT information from MSDSs

It has been my experience, speaking as someone with a hazardous materials and hazardous waste response background, that whether o r not it requires DOT placarding is dependent upon volume. Many MSDSs are deficient in this area because some are materials that are usually shi pped in small quantities. The DOT guidebook and IATA regs are better sources for shipping info. Also, Russ is correct in this instance. Don't rely upon MSDSs for shipping requirements. It has also been my experience that manufacturer's don't always tell you everything, especi ally in the case of trade name products, unless pressed in emergency situat ions.

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From: "Phil Anderson" <pan derson**At_Symbol_Here**AQUASCIENCE.COM>
Date: January 15, 2010 2:33:19 PM EST
Subject: RE: [DCHAS-L] DOT information from MSDSs

As someone who mus t write MSDS's (as well as do a million other things) I note your overal l displeasure with the MSDS situation.

The MSDS is/was meant to pro vide safety information for the persons who handle a chemical, or chemical mixture. Any use of it for other duties is an extention of the MSDS b eyond where it was originally intended. There are several layers of d ata that I must absorb and distill and otherwise get into the computer befo re I can get it to spit out an MSD.

If the MSDS were to be a compl ete manual for the handling of a chemical, this would not be enough, but it isn't (probably a Master's or Ph.D may be adequate, but also not likely).& nbsp; What an MSDS is, is a snapshot of the data and the material. It is limited to the available data, and it is always changing. The pro blems arise when the data is conflicted or old data is viewed with the same "rose colored glasses" that modern researchers seem to enjoy.

Our task, should we be foolish enough to accept it is to be chemists, physi cians, etc. The best thing we can do is to buy our materials (either the rarities found in acedemia or the 5000 gallon tank trucks found in indu strial use) from the people who provide adequate MSDS's. Look before leaping! And when we turn down a supplier for this reason, tell him!& nbsp; Most chemical suppliers in this country are honest, but generally ove rworked. If something is wrong on his MSDS that causes him to lose sa les, most will fix it, IF he is aware of the discrepancy!

Some of t he data desired may not be reasonably provided on a brief MSDS. Some of it may be too new or too unproven (or even wrong) to be included. Remember- these things are NOT peer reviewed papers on the safety that one may want. But the writers, in general, should be competent.

A reason that I only last year started to include DOT provisions on the M SDS I write, is in anticipation of the adoption of some sort of 15 part for mat when the US Congress permits it as I am going to retire, probably befor e this becomes a final regulation. The DOT changes their shipping cla ss breakdowns every so often, which is why I did not include them before. I just hope that DOT does not change something that affects the classi ng I use now. (As they did about 20+ years ago, when they changed the flash point for Combustible/Flammable from 100 F. to 140F.)

Had to "rant", sorry!

Phil Anderson
Technical Director
Aqua Science, Inc.

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From: "Larry D. McLouth" <LDMclouth**At_Symbol_Here**lbl.gov>
Date: January 15, 2010 12:40:19 PM ES T
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] MSDS source?

Hi Katherine,

Visit the MSDS HyperGlossary...(use Google search). This has a bunch of fre e MSDS sites and links to other safety related items, including OSHA reg s and proposed standards. I believe this is hosted by the Safety Empo rium which sells lab and safety supplies.

You may be interested in t he FAQs - there you'll find a lot of info about MSDSs, the regulatory drive s and OSHA interpretations.

Good Luck!

Larry

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From: harsimran kaur <hkahuja**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com>< br>Date: January 15, 2010 12:33:00 PM EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] MSDS so urce?

Katherine,

In college for chem lab, we were told to us e SRI Hazard MSDS Index and I have been using the same ever since. He re's the link: http://hazard.com/msds/index.php

Simran

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