Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:15:04 -0500
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Subject: Re: 2 RE: [DCHAS-L] Methaneseleninic acid gloves?
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Good morning--

First, for highly toxic materials, our Packaging Dept., which is measures 
out prepack units from a bulk container, typically uses neoprene outer 
gloves with a Silver Shield(R) glove as an inner liner. They also wear 
other PPE to prevent inhalation or contamination of skin or clothing. The 
PPE requirements are dependent on the hazards associated with a particular 
chemical (examples could be supplied breathing air, aprons, sleeves, boot 
covers, etc.). 

Second, the MSDS indicates "Handle with gloves", rather than a more 
specific recommendation, because the glove choice (& indeed all PPE) is so 
dependent on the user's specific task. According to OSHA's Hazard 
Communication Standard, MSDSs have to be written to cover situations 
ranging from small amounts to commercial quantities. The PPE requirements 
are dramatically different for the safe handling of a 5g bottle versus the 
safe handling of a 55 gallon drum (or larger).

Beth

Beth Shepard, Technical Compliance Specialist
Regulatory Compliance
Sigma-Aldrich 
6000 N. Teutonia Ave.
Milwaukee, WI  53209

414-438-2608, ext. 5471 




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 >We had a question about the correct gloves to wear when working with 
Methaneseleninic acid. The Sigma/Aldrich MSDS helpfully says "Handle 
with gloves", but given the stench and high toxicity of the material, 
the researcher (and we) would like something more specific. The 
process is weighing out and dissolving the powder in water.

From: "Margaret Rakas" 
Date: June 30, 2009 10:47:25 AM EDT
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Methaneseleninic acid gloves?

My suggestion is to call Sigma Aldrich and ask them what their folks 
wear when they handle this stuff.  After all, they either make it or 
repackage it (or can ask their vendor what they use).  Be pushy if you 
need to be; I have had some very inexperienced "safety specialists" 
who basically read the MSDS and some very good ones.  The other 
alternative is to call one of the glove manufacturers, who have always 
been able to help me with these questions if the original vendor 
can't.  But SA is a big company and should be providing this 
information as a matter of 'product stewardship'.  If more people 
'bothered' them for this information they would rightly start adding 
it to the MSDS, where it belongs. Good luck.

The above is my personal opinion only, not legal advice and may not 
reflect the opinion of my employer or any group to which I belong.
Margaret Rakas

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From: "Debbie M. Decker" 
Date: June 30, 2009 11:46:46 AM EDT
Subject: RE: [DCHAS-L] Methaneseleninic acid gloves?

When I don't know what gloves to recommend (and the manufacturer is no 
help), my fall back is Silver Shield with close-fitting nitrile over 
top.

Good luck!


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Good morning--

First, for highly toxic materials, our Packaging Dept., which is measures out prepack units from a bulk container, typically uses neoprene outer gloves with a Silver Shield(R) glove as an inner liner. They also wear other PPE to prevent inhalation or contamination of skin or clothing. The PPE requirements are dependent on the hazards associated with a particular chemical (examples could be supplied breathing air, aprons, sleeves, boot covers, etc.).  

Second, the MSDS indicates "Handle with gloves", rather than a more specific recommendation, because the glove choice (& indeed all PPE) is so dependent on the user's specific task. According to OSHA's Hazard Communication Standard, MSDSs have to be written to cover situations ranging from small amounts to commercial quantities. The PPE requirements are dramatically different for the safe handling of a 5g bottle versus the safe handling of a 55 gallon drum (or larger).

Beth

Beth Shepard, Technical Compliance Specialist
Regulatory Compliance
Sigma-Aldrich
6000 N. Teutonia Ave.
Milwaukee, WI  53209

414-438-2608, ext. 5471      



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 >We had a question about the correct gloves to wear when working with  
Methaneseleninic acid. The Sigma/Aldrich MSDS helpfully says "Handle  
with gloves", but given the stench and high toxicity of the material,  
the researcher (and we) would like something more specific. The  
process is weighing out and dissolving the powder in water.

From: "Margaret Rakas" <mrakas**At_Symbol_Here**smith.edu>
Date: June 30, 2009 10:47:25 AM EDT
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Methaneseleninic acid gloves?

My suggestion is to call Sigma Aldrich and ask them what their folks  
wear when they handle this stuff.  After all, they either make it or  
repackage it (or can ask their vendor what they use).  Be pushy if you  
need to be; I have had some very inexperienced "safety specialists"  
who basically read the MSDS and some very good ones.  The other  
alternative is to call one of the glove manufacturers, who have always  
been able to help me with these questions if the original vendor  
can't.  But SA is a big company and should be providing this  
information as a matter of 'product stewardship'.  If more people  
'bothered' them for this information they would rightly start adding  
it to the MSDS, where it belongs. Good luck.

The above is my personal opinion only, not legal advice and may not  
reflect the opinion of my employer or any group to which I belong.
Margaret Rakas

===
From: "Debbie M. Decker" <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**ucdavis.edu>
Date: June 30, 2009 11:46:46 AM EDT
Subject: RE: [DCHAS-L] Methaneseleninic acid gloves?

When I don't know what gloves to recommend (and the manufacturer is no  
help), my fall back is Silver Shield with close-fitting nitrile over  
top.

Good luck!

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