Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:19:23 -0500
Reply-To: "Mary M. Cavanaugh" <cavanaughmm**At_Symbol_Here**APPSTATE.EDU>
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From: "Mary M. Cavanaugh" <cavanaughmm**At_Symbol_Here**APPSTATE.EDU>
Organization: ASU Safety & WC Office
Subject: Re: Need Your Opinion on Safety Issues
In-Reply-To: <000001c5e496$f291b5b0$0500a8c0**At_Symbol_Here**jeffq65gbxmpma>
 
Our legal dept has informed us that we should expect students to follow OSHA
safety-related requirements that apply to our workforce because these
requirements represent the "minimum standard of care."  Failure to follow
the "standard of care" for students would expose the university to
significant liability should anything happen to the students.  So, if we
require goggles and covered legs in labs for faculty for reasons of safety,
then we should also do it for students.

Mary M. Cavanaugh, CIH
phone  828.262.6838
email  cavanaughmm**At_Symbol_Here**appstate.edu

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teamplayer
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:02 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Need Your Opinion on Safety Issues

In response to Jay's statement "as far as OSHA is concerned, the kiddies may
wear whatever they like."

Jay is correct specifically to OSHA and the non-workforce.

However, it is in the prerogative of ANY business, organization, or school
to make enforceable rules for those who will be interacting with them.  

That is...a business (such as a white-water rafting company) may make it a
requirement that all customers MUST wear helmets or they will not have them
as customers.  

An organization (such as a hiking group) may make it a requirement that ALL
participants must have training in outdoor safety BEFORE they can go on a
hike or else they will not be allowed to go.  

A school may make it a requirement that students follow "X" rules (even
taking word for word from an OSHA requirement) or they will not be allowed
to sign up or take a class.

Yes, OSHA regulations only apply to the workforce (I don't know for certain
that OSHA applies to PAID workforce only...I haven't been fully up on my
OSHA regulations recently but I think if the person is WORKING for the
entity...whether paid or otherwise, the OSHA regulations would
apply.)  However, an entity could take the regulations and make them a part
of their requirements.  They would have to assure that all participants are
expected to follow those requirements...no exceptions or else they'd be
opening themselves to lawsuits (but not following them would not lead to an
OSHA fine if the person was not part of the
workforce.)

Helen Gerhard
719-574-5577 (h)
719-290-8456 (c)
teamplayer**At_Symbol_Here**pcisys.net

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From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Jay
Young
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:43 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Need Your Opinion on Safety Issues

To all concerned:

Sorry, but Rob Toreki's helpful suggestions do NOT apply to students. 
That is, the OSHA regulations, even the lab standard cannot be enforced on
students.  It applies in an enforceable manner only to paid employees.
 so, as Rob correctly suggests, the male and female professors and TA's are
to wear pants, but as far as OSHA is concerned, the kiddies may wear
whatever they like.

Jay Young

PS:  I would hope of course, that the Profs and TA's would indeed enforce
their own local requirements for proper attire for students in the lab.

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